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		<title>By: Why Cultured Code&#8217;s &#8220;Things&#8221; app can&#8217;t do GTD &#171; Tempus Fugit by Mark Jaquith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Cultured Code&#8217;s &#8220;Things&#8221; app can&#8217;t do GTD &#171; Tempus Fugit by Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] found a single instance on their site of them saying that it is a GTD app), countless reviews and articles have claimed that to be the case. They&#8217;re [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Romy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I would really really love in the update for the iPhone is the tags.  That is one of the essential components of GTD, and... I miss it in the iPhone.  Would it be ridiculous to admit it&#039;s the reason I bought an iPhone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I would really really love in the update for the iPhone is the tags.  That is one of the essential components of GTD, and&#8230; I miss it in the iPhone.  Would it be ridiculous to admit it&#8217;s the reason I bought an iPhone?</p>
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		<title>By: Quico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for aggregating the top task management apps, it has been an extremely  valuable resource. I just downloaded things and wanted to comment on the Areas section. It was immediately intuitive to me what its purpose was for. I have mistakenly been using Projects in OmniFocus as Areas I realized after reading your reviews.

I think for folks who have relatively structured position descriptions described by the function the Areas is helpful to see in what function you are spending your time. Because of the Areas and the lack of emphasis on Context I will be switching to Things. I have been trying to work with OmniFocus but the context technique really should not be so in your face. Hopefully it works well for other folks.

Regarding Things not handling hundreds of tasks well, I would argue that if you have that many tasks it&#039;s time to find a new time management technique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for aggregating the top task management apps, it has been an extremely  valuable resource. I just downloaded things and wanted to comment on the Areas section. It was immediately intuitive to me what its purpose was for. I have mistakenly been using Projects in OmniFocus as Areas I realized after reading your reviews.</p>
<p>I think for folks who have relatively structured position descriptions described by the function the Areas is helpful to see in what function you are spending your time. Because of the Areas and the lack of emphasis on Context I will be switching to Things. I have been trying to work with OmniFocus but the context technique really should not be so in your face. Hopefully it works well for other folks.</p>
<p>Regarding Things not handling hundreds of tasks well, I would argue that if you have that many tasks it&#8217;s time to find a new time management technique.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfromthedock.com/2008/02/gtd-based-task-management-apps-v-things/comment-page-1/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NIce review. For what it&#039;s worth, I disagree that Things isn&#039;t geared to &#039;hundreds&#039; of tasks as well as omnifocus. It puts the responsibility on you to come up with a good tagging system, but if you do I see no reason it wouldn&#039;t serve anyone well.

And lets face it, with hundreds of tasks any program can be overwhelmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NIce review. For what it&#8217;s worth, I disagree that Things isn&#8217;t geared to &#8216;hundreds&#8217; of tasks as well as omnifocus. It puts the responsibility on you to come up with a good tagging system, but if you do I see no reason it wouldn&#8217;t serve anyone well.</p>
<p>And lets face it, with hundreds of tasks any program can be overwhelmed.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy (admin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 08:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point - I should probably update this - thanks for taking the time to comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point &#8211; I should probably update this &#8211; thanks for taking the time to comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for some really nice reviews.  In response to your comment, &quot;You can’t delete projects once you create them...&quot; I&#039;ve discovered that you must select &quot;Projects&quot; to display the list of projects to the right, select the project (to highlight it), then hit the &quot;delete x&gt;&quot; key.  I agree that this was not exactly intuitive but I couldn&#039;t imagine that they would have left that out! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for some really nice reviews.  In response to your comment, &#8220;You can’t delete projects once you create them&#8230;&#8221; I&#8217;ve discovered that you must select &#8220;Projects&#8221; to display the list of projects to the right, select the project (to highlight it), then hit the &#8220;delete x&gt;&#8221; key.  I agree that this was not exactly intuitive but I couldn&#8217;t imagine that they would have left that out! <img src='http://www.viewfromthedock.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: roblef dot com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-03-19</title>
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		<dc:creator>roblef dot com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-03-19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cultured Code Things Review: GTD Task Management Applications &#124; View from the Dock more &#8220;Things&#8221; things (tags: GTD software review things mac productivity) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The evolution of task management (Things review)</title>
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		<dc:creator>The evolution of task management (Things review)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people have already written excellent full reviews of Things, so instead of doing one more full review, I want to write about the aspects that have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: chezfugu (admin)</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfromthedock.com/2008/02/gtd-based-task-management-apps-v-things/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>chezfugu (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying these points. 
- I admit I never thought to select &#039;Projects&#039; in the sidebar, which now seems pretty obvious to me! I only thought to click on the sub-projects/areas.
- the batch tagging works great. I now understand how to do it. 
-  You described what I was thinking exactly with the &#039;clean up&#039; feature: processing the inbox tasks all at once after you mark them all  within the inbox
- the upcoming features sound great. Can&#039;t wait to see the secret due date filter bar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying these points.<br />
- I admit I never thought to select &#8216;Projects&#8217; in the sidebar, which now seems pretty obvious to me! I only thought to click on the sub-projects/areas.<br />
- the batch tagging works great. I now understand how to do it.<br />
-  You described what I was thinking exactly with the &#8216;clean up&#8217; feature: processing the inbox tasks all at once after you mark them all  within the inbox<br />
- the upcoming features sound great. Can&#8217;t wait to see the secret due date filter bar!</p>
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		<title>By: Juergen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juergen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Jürgen, one of the people behind Things, and I would like to comment on the list of “annoyances”. In particular, on how they will be (or are already :) ) dealt with.

- Projects and how to delete them: By selecting “Projects” in the sidebar you will get a list of all active projects grouped by area. You’ll also see a visual indication of the progress of each project. Optionally you can display/hide the inactive projects as well. To delete projects, select them and press the delete key. Of course, you can also drag the selected projects to the trash.

- Of course, we will have contextual (right click) menus everywhere. It’s a refinement we just didn’t get around to implementing yet.

- It is actually very easy to “batch tag” items. Every tag automatically gets a keyboard shortcut. These can be easily changed using the Tags Window. Lets assume the work tag has the shortcut “w” (the default). If you want to add this tag to one or multiple todos, just select the desired todos and press the W key. If the selected todos already have a given tag, using the corresponding shortcut removes the tag. Users who prefer drag and drop can also open the Tags Window and drag a selection of todos to the tag they want to add.

- The differentiation of projects and areas is not yet complete. Expect improvements in future releases.

- We will add a “File” function that can be invoked by right clicking on todos. Most likely we will also provide this function through a gear button embedded in todos. But you can already use the “Todos &gt; Move To” menu commands. There are also keyboard shortcuts to mark items “Today, Next, Someday, or Postponed”.

- Since Things doesn’t get in an unclean state when working with it ;) I am not sure what a “clean up” feature could do? All I can think of at the moment is related to processing the inbox. It might be interesting to let users mark inbox items without actually moving them. This would allow to reexamine one’s choices before finishing up. A “Process” button could then move the marked items accordingly.

- Using different colors for for due and overdue items is an interesting suggestion. We might implement this along with our - shhhhh - super secret due date filter bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Jürgen, one of the people behind Things, and I would like to comment on the list of “annoyances”. In particular, on how they will be (or are already <img src='http://www.viewfromthedock.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) dealt with.</p>
<p>- Projects and how to delete them: By selecting “Projects” in the sidebar you will get a list of all active projects grouped by area. You’ll also see a visual indication of the progress of each project. Optionally you can display/hide the inactive projects as well. To delete projects, select them and press the delete key. Of course, you can also drag the selected projects to the trash.</p>
<p>- Of course, we will have contextual (right click) menus everywhere. It’s a refinement we just didn’t get around to implementing yet.</p>
<p>- It is actually very easy to “batch tag” items. Every tag automatically gets a keyboard shortcut. These can be easily changed using the Tags Window. Lets assume the work tag has the shortcut “w” (the default). If you want to add this tag to one or multiple todos, just select the desired todos and press the W key. If the selected todos already have a given tag, using the corresponding shortcut removes the tag. Users who prefer drag and drop can also open the Tags Window and drag a selection of todos to the tag they want to add.</p>
<p>- The differentiation of projects and areas is not yet complete. Expect improvements in future releases.</p>
<p>- We will add a “File” function that can be invoked by right clicking on todos. Most likely we will also provide this function through a gear button embedded in todos. But you can already use the “Todos &gt; Move To” menu commands. There are also keyboard shortcuts to mark items “Today, Next, Someday, or Postponed”.</p>
<p>- Since Things doesn’t get in an unclean state when working with it <img src='http://www.viewfromthedock.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I am not sure what a “clean up” feature could do? All I can think of at the moment is related to processing the inbox. It might be interesting to let users mark inbox items without actually moving them. This would allow to reexamine one’s choices before finishing up. A “Process” button could then move the marked items accordingly.</p>
<p>- Using different colors for for due and overdue items is an interesting suggestion. We might implement this along with our &#8211; shhhhh &#8211; super secret due date filter bar.</p>
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		<title>By: chezfugu (admin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>chezfugu (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AlienSecretion: It&#039;s a bit dated, but check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.43folders.com/forum/2006/05/11/entourage-gtd&quot; title=&quot;Entourage &amp; GTD&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;.  Things data is stored using simple XML, so integration with other apps should be fairly easy. 

brab: That &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; a great post by Cultured Code - a fascinating inside look at their thought process. I don&#039;t believe there is any way to save a view, but that would be very handy. OmniFocus&#039; &#039;Perspectives&#039; is a really good idea. I&#039;ll add this to my suggestion list and submit it to their wiki, although I&#039;m sure they are already intimately familiar with every feature of OmniFocus!  We definitely should compare notes in a year or so. 

Yeah, I guess I gave away my verdict a little prematurely ... but in the wrap-up, I&#039;ll stress the strengths of each app (and the type of person who might  like one over the other) over my personal choice.  

Thanks to you both for stopping by to read the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AlienSecretion: It&#8217;s a bit dated, but check out <a href="http://www.43folders.com/forum/2006/05/11/entourage-gtd" title="Entourage &#038; GTD" rel="nofollow">this post</a>.  Things data is stored using simple XML, so integration with other apps should be fairly easy. </p>
<p>brab: That <em>was</em> a great post by Cultured Code &#8211; a fascinating inside look at their thought process. I don&#8217;t believe there is any way to save a view, but that would be very handy. OmniFocus&#8217; &#8216;Perspectives&#8217; is a really good idea. I&#8217;ll add this to my suggestion list and submit it to their wiki, although I&#8217;m sure they are already intimately familiar with every feature of OmniFocus!  We definitely should compare notes in a year or so. </p>
<p>Yeah, I guess I gave away my verdict a little prematurely &#8230; but in the wrap-up, I&#8217;ll stress the strengths of each app (and the type of person who might  like one over the other) over my personal choice.  </p>
<p>Thanks to you both for stopping by to read the post.</p>
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		<title>By: brab</title>
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		<dc:creator>brab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things does look very nice, and after looking at their blog, they do put a lot of effort in the design (I really like their latest post about how to design the recurrence dialog). One quick question: is there a way to save a view (that is a set of filtered tags), like perspectives in OmniFocus? It may be awkward to have to do it by hand all the time.

I&#039;m eagerly waiting for the wrap-up, even though it&#039;s clear which one you&#039;ve chosen ;-) Maybe we should compare notes in one year or so, as I&#039;ve decided on OmniFocus...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things does look very nice, and after looking at their blog, they do put a lot of effort in the design (I really like their latest post about how to design the recurrence dialog). One quick question: is there a way to save a view (that is a set of filtered tags), like perspectives in OmniFocus? It may be awkward to have to do it by hand all the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m eagerly waiting for the wrap-up, even though it&#8217;s clear which one you&#8217;ve chosen <img src='http://www.viewfromthedock.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Maybe we should compare notes in one year or so, as I&#8217;ve decided on OmniFocus&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AlienSecretion</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlienSecretion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re in agreement on this one.  Even with a serious case of ADD I can still use this one.  It&#039;s actually the only one of the four that I can!  I&#039;m also looking forward to seeing where they take it.  In addition to the features you mentioned, I&#039;d love to see some integration with Entourage mail and calendar items as well as the ability to set specific times for the reminders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re in agreement on this one.  Even with a serious case of ADD I can still use this one.  It&#8217;s actually the only one of the four that I can!  I&#8217;m also looking forward to seeing where they take it.  In addition to the features you mentioned, I&#8217;d love to see some integration with Entourage mail and calendar items as well as the ability to set specific times for the reminders.</p>
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